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	<title>Comments on: Of Course Macs Are More Expensive&#8230; Aren&#8217;t They?</title>
	<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html</link>
	<description>I've been observing personal computing behavior for a long time, and now I have some things to say. Here are my two cents about computing, music, software, and related topics.</description>
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		<title>by: ReelSmart.com &#187; Macs Cost More, Right? Well No Actually!</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-324</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Well let them read these stories from “Musings From Mars” blog where he compares Apple to Dell and IBM: of-course-macs-are-more-expensive quick-pricing-update-time-to-pick-on apple-beefs-up-imac-line-widens-price dont-all-computers-need-help-desk-guy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Well let them read these stories from “Musings From Mars” blog where he compares Apple to Dell and IBM: of-course-macs-are-more-expensive quick-pricing-update-time-to-pick-on apple-beefs-up-imac-line-widens-price dont-all-computers-need-help-desk-guy [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: electrical engineering jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-185</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-185</guid>
					<description>Great blog. Found your blog while searching for more information at yahoo . Your blog has quite a lot of interesting thoughts. Keep up the good work, thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Great blog. Found your blog while searching for more information at yahoo . Your blog has quite a lot of interesting thoughts. Keep up the good work, thnx
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		<title>by: Leland</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-175</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-175</guid>
					<description>Dontcha just love Windows users who don't know how to read?  It's not surprising that they end up with Dell's when they're satisfied to just gloss over details like how many processors a system has.  Of course, Dell's website is perfect for people like that... too many details for anyone to absorb in one sitting.  

Torsten, go leave your Windows droppings elsewhere.  My article clearly compares a dual G5 to a dual-processor Dell Xeon (not a P4, not a single processor system).  The Dell has an option for a second processor, so, to make the comparison as equal as possible, I added that to the Dell configuration.  Here's what my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musingsfrommars.org/dellvsapple/prodesktop/&quot;&gt;detailed accounting&lt;/a&gt; of the two pro-class desktops says about the Dell processor:&lt;blockquote&gt;Dual Xeon 3.2GHz*
* Corrected for equivalency as calculated at SystemShootouts.org . The dual 3.4 GHz Xeon selected originally was a $600 upgrade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Seriously, though, this is exactly how Microsoft and the PC ecosystem stays in business:  They count on ignorant consumers not being able to compare Apples with whatever it is they're offering.  Like our friend Torsten here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dontcha just love Windows users who don&#8217;t know how to read?  It&#8217;s not surprising that they end up with Dell&#8217;s when they&#8217;re satisfied to just gloss over details like how many processors a system has.  Of course, Dell&#8217;s website is perfect for people like that&#8230; too many details for anyone to absorb in one sitting.  </p>
	<p>Torsten, go leave your Windows droppings elsewhere.  My article clearly compares a dual G5 to a dual-processor Dell Xeon (not a P4, not a single processor system).  The Dell has an option for a second processor, so, to make the comparison as equal as possible, I added that to the Dell configuration.  Here&#8217;s what my <a href="http://www.musingsfrommars.org/dellvsapple/prodesktop/">detailed accounting</a> of the two pro-class desktops says about the Dell processor:<br />
<blockquote>Dual Xeon 3.2GHz*<br />
* Corrected for equivalency as calculated at SystemShootouts.org . The dual 3.4 GHz Xeon selected originally was a $600 upgrade.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Seriously, though, this is exactly how Microsoft and the PC ecosystem stays in business:  They count on ignorant consumers not being able to compare Apples with whatever it is they&#8217;re offering.  Like our friend Torsten here.
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		<title>by: Torsten Rosendal</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-174</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-174</guid>
					<description>Well, I have to hand it to you: That &quot;comparison&quot; between - not PC and MAC - but DELL vs MAC, is just about the worst cutÂ´n paste job from all the no-brainer posts on div. apple-geek-forums around the globe. 

Why do you think MAC finally gives up on IBM and moves to Intel instead? 

The best/worst example, is when you compare a DUAL G5 to a single core, sinlge chip P4. That shows you dunno WTF your rambling about my friend. 

So please, do us all a favour and shut up when you know zip.

Thanks (this is not personal)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, I have to hand it to you: That &#8220;comparison&#8221; between - not PC and MAC - but DELL vs MAC, is just about the worst cutÂ´n paste job from all the no-brainer posts on div. apple-geek-forums around the globe. </p>
	<p>Why do you think MAC finally gives up on IBM and moves to Intel instead? </p>
	<p>The best/worst example, is when you compare a DUAL G5 to a single core, sinlge chip P4. That shows you dunno WTF your rambling about my friend. </p>
	<p>So please, do us all a favour and shut up when you know zip.</p>
	<p>Thanks (this is not personal)</p>
	<p>Helmuth Kool
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		<title>by: Charles Gaba</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-169</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-169</guid>
					<description>Hi there...I'm the webmaster of the System Shootouts website which has been referenced throughout these comments several times.

First, I want to thank everyone for the kind words about my site; I put a lot of work into it, so it's nice to hear some words of encouragement from time to time (yes, I have some Google ads on the site, but they pretty much just cover the hosting costs).

Second, I wanted to clarify a couple of points, just for the record:

1. Many of the references to my site treat the Processor Comparison chart as if it's the end-all/be-all of benchmark measurement. If you read through the background below it, you'll quickly see that the &quot;performance equivalences&quot; I list are, ironically, the LEAST accurate and MOST biased part of the site, simply because there are so many variables involved.

Hopefully, most of this will become a moot point once Apple switches to the Intel processors, though of course there will still be the AMD factor, etc...

Aside from the processor comparisons--and to a lesser extent, the video cards--every other feature compared between the various systems should be pretty objective. The *data* listed is 100% accurate; the &quot;winner&quot; listed (bold-faced yellow) in each catagory may or may not be objective or subjective depending on the situation (ie, an 80 GB 7200 RPM hard drive is pretty obviously better than a 40 GB 5400 RPM drive; for software, it's a bit fuzzier, since opinions can vary widely about which particular piece of software is &quot;better&quot; overall).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi there&#8230;I&#8217;m the webmaster of the System Shootouts website which has been referenced throughout these comments several times.</p>
	<p>First, I want to thank everyone for the kind words about my site; I put a lot of work into it, so it&#8217;s nice to hear some words of encouragement from time to time (yes, I have some Google ads on the site, but they pretty much just cover the hosting costs).</p>
	<p>Second, I wanted to clarify a couple of points, just for the record:</p>
	<p>1. Many of the references to my site treat the Processor Comparison chart as if it&#8217;s the end-all/be-all of benchmark measurement. If you read through the background below it, you&#8217;ll quickly see that the &#8220;performance equivalences&#8221; I list are, ironically, the LEAST accurate and MOST biased part of the site, simply because there are so many variables involved.</p>
	<p>Hopefully, most of this will become a moot point once Apple switches to the Intel processors, though of course there will still be the AMD factor, etc&#8230;</p>
	<p>Aside from the processor comparisons&#8211;and to a lesser extent, the video cards&#8211;every other feature compared between the various systems should be pretty objective. The *data* listed is 100% accurate; the &#8220;winner&#8221; listed (bold-faced yellow) in each catagory may or may not be objective or subjective depending on the situation (ie, an 80 GB 7200 RPM hard drive is pretty obviously better than a 40 GB 5400 RPM drive; for software, it&#8217;s a bit fuzzier, since opinions can vary widely about which particular piece of software is &#8220;better&#8221; overall).
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		<title>by: Andrew Hedges</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-141</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-141</guid>
					<description>I just ran a couple of comparisons on Dell.com and Apple.com. This is timely because my parents' wretched Win98 white box just died and I'm trying to convince them to get a Mac.

In my comparisons using the specs I would personally find acceptable, I found a Mac mini cheaper than an equivalent Dell Dimension B110, but I found the 14&quot; iBook to be a couple hundred dollars more than the equivalent Dell laptop (I forget which model).

The most striking comparison I made was between the 17&quot; iMac G5 and a Dell Precision 380 w/a digital 17&quot; LCD.  You mention above that you would probably buy a Windows machine if you were a hard-core gamer.  For the price of the Precision, you could get an iMac AND an Xbox 360!

How 'bout them Apples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just ran a couple of comparisons on Dell.com and Apple.com. This is timely because my parents&#8217; wretched Win98 white box just died and I&#8217;m trying to convince them to get a Mac.</p>
	<p>In my comparisons using the specs I would personally find acceptable, I found a Mac mini cheaper than an equivalent Dell Dimension B110, but I found the 14&#8243; iBook to be a couple hundred dollars more than the equivalent Dell laptop (I forget which model).</p>
	<p>The most striking comparison I made was between the 17&#8243; iMac G5 and a Dell Precision 380 w/a digital 17&#8243; LCD.  You mention above that you would probably buy a Windows machine if you were a hard-core gamer.  For the price of the Precision, you could get an iMac AND an Xbox 360!</p>
	<p>How &#8217;bout them Apples?
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		<title>by: klbarrus</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-97</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-97</guid>
					<description>SubSpawn said &quot;3 times the price for RAM as PC's... and the RAM is just the same. &quot;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Apple does charge a premium for memory.  But they say on their web page &quot;All PowerBook G4s use PC2700 SO-DIMMs (DDR333 SDRAM SO-DIMM).&quot; (for instance).  So do what I did for a friend, just go to NewEgg.com and order the correct spec'ed memory for much cheaper, and then install it for them. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>SubSpawn said &#8220;3 times the price for RAM as PC&#8217;s&#8230; and the RAM is just the same. &#8220;<BR/><BR/>Apple does charge a premium for memory.  But they say on their web page &#8220;All PowerBook G4s use PC2700 SO-DIMMs (DDR333 SDRAM SO-DIMM).&#8221; (for instance).  So do what I did for a friend, just go to NewEgg.com and order the correct spec&#8217;ed memory for much cheaper, and then install it for them. <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-96</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-96</guid>
					<description>this article is totally biased bullshit. &lt;BR/&gt;I'm not a pc-fan-boy, i actually like the design of apple and think they are nice machines. I thought of buying one, but then I discovered they are expensive, and i can't do the things on them that i want (gaming).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;let's be honest: apples are way more expensive than pc's. They aren't faster than pc's (just buy a Athlon64 or P4 EE). &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;If it comes to videocards...does apple have anything that comes close to a Geforce 6800, or X800? I don't think so.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And as you posted yourself, software matters...pc game say $50...apple??? hey fuck, it doesn't even exist.&lt;BR/&gt;So i would suggest, hire yourself a staff of 50 coders for a year let them code a similar game and then compare prices :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>this article is totally biased bullshit. <BR/>I&#8217;m not a pc-fan-boy, i actually like the design of apple and think they are nice machines. I thought of buying one, but then I discovered they are expensive, and i can&#8217;t do the things on them that i want (gaming).<BR/><BR/>let&#8217;s be honest: apples are way more expensive than pc&#8217;s. They aren&#8217;t faster than pc&#8217;s (just buy a Athlon64 or P4 EE). <BR/><BR/>If it comes to videocards&#8230;does apple have anything that comes close to a Geforce 6800, or X800? I don&#8217;t think so.<BR/><BR/>And as you posted yourself, software matters&#8230;pc game say $50&#8230;apple??? hey fuck, it doesn&#8217;t even exist.<BR/>So i would suggest, hire yourself a staff of 50 coders for a year let them code a similar game and then compare prices <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
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		<title>by: SubSpawn</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-95</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-95</guid>
					<description>Henry:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What Leland talked about concerning the 3GB RAM insted of the full 4GB is the famous &quot;memory hole&quot; of Windows.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Yes it's a common mistake to restrict x86 to Windows and Apple to MacOS but those are the systems that are used the most. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Back to the memory hole now.&lt;BR/&gt;Just as in the old days with the 15-16MB memory hole, which some people here might remember. Alot of windows device drivers use adresses that correspond with upper region RAM adresses. The biggest swallower is your AGP bus, it can eat over 256MB away from your precious RAM adresses.&lt;BR/&gt;It ain't exactly true that you'll lose 1GB, but you will certainly lose a large portion of your upper region RAM.&lt;BR/&gt;Offcourse there are fixes arround this, called Virtual Memory adressing in Windows if remember correctly. Hmm... Kinda let's me think of another &quot;fix&quot; in the good old MS-DOS days called EMS and XMS.&lt;BR/&gt;The only decent stable &quot;workarround&quot; is to buy an AMD64/EMT64 CPU which supports 64bit adressing and Windows XP 64bit.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Whereas the Apple system (nor Linux I think) does not &quot;screw up&quot; its memory and it can use it at its full potential. Apple has always had an advantage in forseeing possible troubles, for example: since the beginning of ages their systems were already Y2K-compatible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry:<BR/><BR/>What Leland talked about concerning the 3GB RAM insted of the full 4GB is the famous &#8220;memory hole&#8221; of Windows.<BR/><BR/>Yes it&#8217;s a common mistake to restrict x86 to Windows and Apple to MacOS but those are the systems that are used the most. <BR/><BR/>Back to the memory hole now.<BR/>Just as in the old days with the 15-16MB memory hole, which some people here might remember. Alot of windows device drivers use adresses that correspond with upper region RAM adresses. The biggest swallower is your AGP bus, it can eat over 256MB away from your precious RAM adresses.<BR/>It ain&#8217;t exactly true that you&#8217;ll lose 1GB, but you will certainly lose a large portion of your upper region RAM.<BR/>Offcourse there are fixes arround this, called Virtual Memory adressing in Windows if remember correctly. Hmm&#8230; Kinda let&#8217;s me think of another &#8220;fix&#8221; in the good old MS-DOS days called EMS and XMS.<BR/>The only decent stable &#8220;workarround&#8221; is to buy an AMD64/EMT64 CPU which supports 64bit adressing and Windows XP 64bit.<BR/><BR/>Whereas the Apple system (nor Linux I think) does not &#8220;screw up&#8221; its memory and it can use it at its full potential. Apple has always had an advantage in forseeing possible troubles, for example: since the beginning of ages their systems were already Y2K-compatible.
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		<title>by: Publius</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-94</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-94</guid>
					<description>I don't have much to say about the technology that hasn't already been said, but I used to work for tell you, and I can tell you that so-called &quot;bait and switch&quot; is company policy, no matter which division you're talking about - home, business, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t have much to say about the technology that hasn&#8217;t already been said, but I used to work for tell you, and I can tell you that so-called &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; is company policy, no matter which division you&#8217;re talking about - home, business, whatever.
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		<title>by: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-93</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-93</guid>
					<description>In the original article, you say:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;Another key advantage is that a 64-bit chip can recognize and use a lot more RAM. Windows 32-bit chips can address up to 3GB of RAM, and though that seems like a lot, it's a puny amount compared with the theoretical 1,000GB capability of a 64-bit chip.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As one commenter already pointed out, the actual amount of RAM addressable by a 32-bit machine is 4GB (2^32), not 3GB.  It should also be pointed out that the theoretical amount of RAM addressable by a 64-bit computer is considerably higher than a measly 1000GB.  It's 16 exabytes (2^64), which is over 16 million GB!  That's 16 with 24 zeros after it.  It's quite possible that the software running on a 64-bit computer cannot deal with all that RAM (not to mention fitting it inside those tiny boxes) but that's not a limitation of the processor.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;For all practical purposes, this can be considered an unlimited amount of RAM, at least for now.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On an unrelated matter, the phrase &quot;Windows 32-bit chips&quot; bothers me a bit.  I've got a 32-bin Intel based computer but it no more has a &quot;Windows&quot; chip than your Mac's PPC does.  I know that it's common practice to compare Macs running OSX with Intel computers running MS Windows.  That's all well and good but it should be pointed out that PPC is not restricted to OSX, and neither are x86 processors restricted to MS Windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In the original article, you say:<BR/><BR/><I>Another key advantage is that a 64-bit chip can recognize and use a lot more RAM. Windows 32-bit chips can address up to 3GB of RAM, and though that seems like a lot, it&#8217;s a puny amount compared with the theoretical 1,000GB capability of a 64-bit chip.</I><BR/><BR/>As one commenter already pointed out, the actual amount of RAM addressable by a 32-bit machine is 4GB (2^32), not 3GB.  It should also be pointed out that the theoretical amount of RAM addressable by a 64-bit computer is considerably higher than a measly 1000GB.  It&#8217;s 16 exabytes (2^64), which is over 16 million GB!  That&#8217;s 16 with 24 zeros after it.  It&#8217;s quite possible that the software running on a 64-bit computer cannot deal with all that RAM (not to mention fitting it inside those tiny boxes) but that&#8217;s not a limitation of the processor.<BR/><BR/>For all practical purposes, this can be considered an unlimited amount of RAM, at least for now.<BR/><BR/>On an unrelated matter, the phrase &#8220;Windows 32-bit chips&#8221; bothers me a bit.  I&#8217;ve got a 32-bin Intel based computer but it no more has a &#8220;Windows&#8221; chip than your Mac&#8217;s PPC does.  I know that it&#8217;s common practice to compare Macs running OSX with Intel computers running MS Windows.  That&#8217;s all well and good but it should be pointed out that PPC is not restricted to OSX, and neither are x86 processors restricted to MS Windows.
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		<title>by: Leland Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-92</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-92</guid>
					<description>The purpose of this blog is less to promote the Mac than to try to dispel the myths and misunderstandings surrounding it.  One of the myths is that Macs are a lot more expensive than PC's.  As I said at the beginning of the article, whether or not that's been the case in the past is not the issue.  The issue is whether that is still true today, and based on what I found in this investigation, it's not. At worst, Apple computers are priced roughly the same, and at best, they're a couple hundred dollars less.  (Remember also that I'm not saying you can't buy a cheaper computer than a bottom-of-the-line Apple.  You certainly can, and if you want to do that, be my guest!)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Pricing isn't by any means the only misunderstanding about Macs, and it's not even the most insidious one.  But if people are going to make informed decisions about which platform they will use, they need to start with the facts and not with hearsay.  As others have pointed out in this exchange, there are certainly a lot more compelling reasons to switch to a Mac other than price.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But when people still think you can't open a Microsoft Word document on a Mac, or connect a Windows machine to a Mac machine and exchange files, etc., there's something wrong.  In 2005, the Mac platform is the strongest it's ever been, while the PC platform is pretty weak--especially considering how much it costs in money and time to protect your system from virus and spyware attacks.  This is definitely a good time to review the pros and cons of each system and to refresh people's understandings.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;People who haven't used a Mac since OS 7.5, or even since OS 9, are in for a huge surprise by how wonderful OS X is today.  The Mac market share is rising again after years of shrinking--up 1 percentage point in the last year.  In my experience, human beings have a hard time un-learning things they thought they knew, things that might even have been true at one point.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This is my contribution to that un-learning process with respect to the Macintosh and related technologies.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And no, I'm not at all interested in how much it costs to build a PC from scratch, any more than I'm interested in how much it costs to build a television, a dishwasher, a car, or a clock.  I know that they guys who like to do this are frustrated that they can't easily build an Apple PC, and I think frankly that Apple could make a bundle by selling kits to these guys.  But sorry, you really aren't more than a flyspeck in the overall computermarket, even though you sometimes act as though you are.  :-)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Also, please see &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://www.musingsfrommars.org/#c111478299779276753&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my reply to the HP guy&lt;/A&gt; about the system he purchased recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The purpose of this blog is less to promote the Mac than to try to dispel the myths and misunderstandings surrounding it.  One of the myths is that Macs are a lot more expensive than PC&#8217;s.  As I said at the beginning of the article, whether or not that&#8217;s been the case in the past is not the issue.  The issue is whether that is still true today, and based on what I found in this investigation, it&#8217;s not. At worst, Apple computers are priced roughly the same, and at best, they&#8217;re a couple hundred dollars less.  (Remember also that I&#8217;m not saying you can&#8217;t buy a cheaper computer than a bottom-of-the-line Apple.  You certainly can, and if you want to do that, be my guest!)<BR/><BR/>Pricing isn&#8217;t by any means the only misunderstanding about Macs, and it&#8217;s not even the most insidious one.  But if people are going to make informed decisions about which platform they will use, they need to start with the facts and not with hearsay.  As others have pointed out in this exchange, there are certainly a lot more compelling reasons to switch to a Mac other than price.  <BR/><BR/>But when people still think you can&#8217;t open a Microsoft Word document on a Mac, or connect a Windows machine to a Mac machine and exchange files, etc., there&#8217;s something wrong.  In 2005, the Mac platform is the strongest it&#8217;s ever been, while the PC platform is pretty weak&#8211;especially considering how much it costs in money and time to protect your system from virus and spyware attacks.  This is definitely a good time to review the pros and cons of each system and to refresh people&#8217;s understandings.<BR/><BR/>People who haven&#8217;t used a Mac since OS 7.5, or even since OS 9, are in for a huge surprise by how wonderful OS X is today.  The Mac market share is rising again after years of shrinking&#8211;up 1 percentage point in the last year.  In my experience, human beings have a hard time un-learning things they thought they knew, things that might even have been true at one point.<BR/><BR/>This is my contribution to that un-learning process with respect to the Macintosh and related technologies.<BR/><BR/>And no, I&#8217;m not at all interested in how much it costs to build a PC from scratch, any more than I&#8217;m interested in how much it costs to build a television, a dishwasher, a car, or a clock.  I know that they guys who like to do this are frustrated that they can&#8217;t easily build an Apple PC, and I think frankly that Apple could make a bundle by selling kits to these guys.  But sorry, you really aren&#8217;t more than a flyspeck in the overall computermarket, even though you sometimes act as though you are.  <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> <BR/><BR/>Also, please see <A HREF="http://www.musingsfrommars.org/#c111478299779276753" REL="nofollow">my reply to the HP guy</A> about the system he purchased recently.
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		<title>by: Ad</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-91</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-91</guid>
					<description>Seriously guys... it's a computer. Use whatever works for you... there must be more productive things you could do on those nice machines than post about how superior you are to lowly PC users? (note: I'm typing this message at work, I don't have anything better to do...!)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'm not trying to provoke anyone but this argument is as old as they come and it reminds me of the petty ST vs. Amiga and Spectrum vs. C64 arguments. All machines were/are classics and different people like different machines out of personal preference. While the ST was technically inferior to the Amiga, I preferred it. Personal preference isn't the hardest concept to understand - I've used a Mac and I prefer using a PC, and a bunch of numbers and features isn't going to sway me. I don't care what computer you use, so long as you're putting it to good use.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Oh well, that was a particularly pointless rant from me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seriously guys&#8230; it&#8217;s a computer. Use whatever works for you&#8230; there must be more productive things you could do on those nice machines than post about how superior you are to lowly PC users? (note: I&#8217;m typing this message at work, I don&#8217;t have anything better to do&#8230;!)<BR/><BR/>I&#8217;m not trying to provoke anyone but this argument is as old as they come and it reminds me of the petty ST vs. Amiga and Spectrum vs. C64 arguments. All machines were/are classics and different people like different machines out of personal preference. While the ST was technically inferior to the Amiga, I preferred it. Personal preference isn&#8217;t the hardest concept to understand - I&#8217;ve used a Mac and I prefer using a PC, and a bunch of numbers and features isn&#8217;t going to sway me. I don&#8217;t care what computer you use, so long as you&#8217;re putting it to good use.<BR/><BR/>Oh well, that was a particularly pointless rant from me <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
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		<title>by: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-90</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>here you got an hp zv6000 for $1099 ($1049 with mail in coupon), thats cheaper then your ibook but it outperforms the powerbook for 1,999&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hardware:&lt;BR/&gt;Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home &lt;BR/&gt;AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3200+ &lt;BR/&gt;15.4&quot; WXGA Widescreen &lt;BR/&gt;Graphics Card 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory &lt;BR/&gt;512MB DDR SDRAM &lt;BR/&gt;80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive &lt;BR/&gt;DVD+/-RW/R &amp; CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support &lt;BR/&gt;802.11b/g WLAN &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Software:&lt;BR/&gt;HP ImageZone Plus&lt;BR/&gt;Symantec Norton Antivirus 2005 (includes 60 days of complimentary live updates)&lt;BR/&gt;InterVideoÂ® WinDVDÂ® 5.x (select models) &lt;BR/&gt;Muveeâ„¢ AutoProducer DVD Edition 3.0&lt;BR/&gt;InterVideoÂ® WinDVDÂ® Creator 2.x&lt;BR/&gt;Sonic RecordNow 7.x&lt;BR/&gt;MicrosoftÂ® Works 8.0&lt;BR/&gt;MicrosoftÂ® Money 2005</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>here you got an hp zv6000 for $1099 ($1049 with mail in coupon), thats cheaper then your ibook but it outperforms the powerbook for 1,999<BR/><BR/>Hardware:<BR/>Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home <BR/>AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3200+ <BR/>15.4&#8243; WXGA Widescreen <BR/>Graphics Card 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory <BR/>512MB DDR SDRAM <BR/>80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive <BR/>DVD+/-RW/R &#038; CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support <BR/>802.11b/g WLAN <BR/><BR/>Software:<BR/>HP ImageZone Plus<BR/>Symantec Norton Antivirus 2005 (includes 60 days of complimentary live updates)<BR/>InterVideoÂ® WinDVDÂ® 5.x (select models) <BR/>Muveeâ„¢ AutoProducer DVD Edition 3.0<BR/>InterVideoÂ® WinDVDÂ® Creator 2.x<BR/>Sonic RecordNow 7.x<BR/>MicrosoftÂ® Works 8.0<BR/>MicrosoftÂ® Money 2005
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		<title>by: Aaargh!</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-89</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-89</guid>
					<description>Mac's ARE more expensive, not because they are more expensive than a comparable machine per se. But due to the extremely limited number of different mac's you can buy, you end up buying a beefier system than you actually need.</description>
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		<title>by: Donovan Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-88</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-88</guid>
					<description>I've been a Mac badmouther for years, up until last summer when I decided to buy one for my Fiance.  After using hers I've switched all of my office computers to Mac.  I have one PC now, which annoys the crap out of me after using a Mac.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;At first I couldn't find all the software I wanted.  But a subscription to MacWorld changed all that, and I also found a few willing software writers to create software for me (in one case all it cost was a 1 year membership to my websites).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;EVEN IF Macs were more expensive (which your article demonstrates is not the case), they are worth it.  You can't compare a Pinto to a Benz on price alone.  Likewise with Macs vs. PCs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve been a Mac badmouther for years, up until last summer when I decided to buy one for my Fiance.  After using hers I&#8217;ve switched all of my office computers to Mac.  I have one PC now, which annoys the crap out of me after using a Mac.<BR/><BR/>At first I couldn&#8217;t find all the software I wanted.  But a subscription to MacWorld changed all that, and I also found a few willing software writers to create software for me (in one case all it cost was a 1 year membership to my websites).<BR/><BR/>EVEN IF Macs were more expensive (which your article demonstrates is not the case), they are worth it.  You can&#8217;t compare a Pinto to a Benz on price alone.  Likewise with Macs vs. PCs.
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		<title>by: dino</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-87</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-87</guid>
					<description>^This is not for techies, it's for those average people who want a decent computer that's all pre-built for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>^This is not for techies, it&#8217;s for those average people who want a decent computer that&#8217;s all pre-built for them.
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		<title>by: Aaargh!</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-86</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-86</guid>
					<description>&lt;I&gt;If you've read the article and the comments we've all posted closely you might have seen that it is not only the &quot;pure&quot; hardware price you pay but also the software and support.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The same support you pay for when you buy a PC (required by law).&lt;BR/&gt;And where exactly can I buy one without software ?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;As I said before, the only way to seriously beat an apple in price is what you just did. Build it yourself completely and drop the legal software&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The 199 is for a pre-built system, including 19% VAT. And I run Linux. &lt;BR/&gt;For 650 (inc. 19% VAT), I can get a Athlon64 3200+, with 512MB, Geforce FX5700 128MB, 160GB 7200rpm SATA, NEC DL DVD+-RW, etc. ready-made, in and out of the store in 5 minutes. How is the G5 powermac supposed to compete with that ?&lt;BR/&gt;If they were reasonably priced, I wouldn't hesitate to get the G5, but as it is now, I'll probably go for the Athlon64.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;I&gt;but this is not what 90% of the people do.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Well, I'm not '90% of people', I don't want good support or lots of software, I don't want a designer-computer.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I do, however, want the PowerPC architecture, the Darwin kernel and the OS X user interface.&lt;BR/&gt;My point is, Apple is forgetting the users who *do* know what they are talking about, and who *do* know how to handle a computer.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the past, this was no problem, because from a technical standpoint, OS 9 was horrible. But now Apple has a very pretty system (from a technical standpoint) so techies want one too. They don't, however, want to pay for design, idiot-proof support etc. How the fsck can apple forget a large percentage of potential customers ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><I>If you&#8217;ve read the article and the comments we&#8217;ve all posted closely you might have seen that it is not only the &#8220;pure&#8221; hardware price you pay but also the software and support.</I><BR/>The same support you pay for when you buy a PC (required by law).<BR/>And where exactly can I buy one without software ?<BR/><BR/><I>As I said before, the only way to seriously beat an apple in price is what you just did. Build it yourself completely and drop the legal software</I><BR/>The 199 is for a pre-built system, including 19% VAT. And I run Linux. <BR/>For 650 (inc. 19% VAT), I can get a Athlon64 3200+, with 512MB, Geforce FX5700 128MB, 160GB 7200rpm SATA, NEC DL DVD+-RW, etc. ready-made, in and out of the store in 5 minutes. How is the G5 powermac supposed to compete with that ?<BR/>If they were reasonably priced, I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to get the G5, but as it is now, I&#8217;ll probably go for the Athlon64.<BR/><BR/><I>but this is not what 90% of the people do.</I><BR/>Well, I&#8217;m not &#8216;90% of people&#8217;, I don&#8217;t want good support or lots of software, I don&#8217;t want a designer-computer.<BR/><BR/>I do, however, want the PowerPC architecture, the Darwin kernel and the OS X user interface.<BR/>My point is, Apple is forgetting the users who *do* know what they are talking about, and who *do* know how to handle a computer.<BR/><BR/>In the past, this was no problem, because from a technical standpoint, OS 9 was horrible. But now Apple has a very pretty system (from a technical standpoint) so techies want one too. They don&#8217;t, however, want to pay for design, idiot-proof support etc. How the fsck can apple forget a large percentage of potential customers ?
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		<title>by: SubSpawn</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-85</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-85</guid>
					<description>Thanks for correcting me on the darwin-issue. I didn't know darwin was based upon FBSD.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;@Aaargh!:&lt;BR/&gt;If you've read the article and the comments we've all posted closely you might have seen that it is not only the &quot;pure&quot; hardware price you pay but also the software and support.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As I said before, the only way to seriously beat an apple in price is what you just did. Build it yourself completely and drop the legal software (who pays for windows anyways as a home user, only companies really do) and buy parts from the &quot;el cheapo&quot; store. This way you can build yourself a very nice and cheap computer (I build my own ones too)... but this is not what 90% of the people do. They want it all readymade for them, preferably with good support and lots of software ... and that all from a well known brand.. like Dell or HP. &lt;BR/&gt;You can never those things for 199 euro from them ;) With 499 from Apple you can. That's the whole point ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for correcting me on the darwin-issue. I didn&#8217;t know darwin was based upon FBSD.<BR/><BR/>@Aaargh!:<BR/>If you&#8217;ve read the article and the comments we&#8217;ve all posted closely you might have seen that it is not only the &#8220;pure&#8221; hardware price you pay but also the software and support.<BR/><BR/>As I said before, the only way to seriously beat an apple in price is what you just did. Build it yourself completely and drop the legal software (who pays for windows anyways as a home user, only companies really do) and buy parts from the &#8220;el cheapo&#8221; store. This way you can build yourself a very nice and cheap computer (I build my own ones too)&#8230; but this is not what 90% of the people do. They want it all readymade for them, preferably with good support and lots of software &#8230; and that all from a well known brand.. like Dell or HP. <BR/>You can never those things for 199 euro from them <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  With 499 from Apple you can. That&#8217;s the whole point <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
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		<title>by: Aaargh!</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-84</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-84</guid>
					<description>While I like mac's, and they are good value for money. I do not agree they are comparable in price to a PC.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One of the reasons for this is lack of choice. &lt;BR/&gt;I'm in the market for a new desktop which I plan to buy somewhere in the next month, and I've been checking out apple's systems. Looking at a Mac mini, at 499 euro's, I can get a comparable PC (Ok, not as small, but I don't care about that) for 199 euro's (AMD Sempron 2300+, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD, DVD-ROM) and it's more upgradeable than the mini. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;After checking out the mini I came to the conclusion that the basic system (cpu, hard disk, video card) is well suited for my needs, however there are some crucial parts missing, for example SP/DIF output. There is no room for a PCI card, so I need an expensive USB dongle. The ram needs an upgrade to 512 MB too (for the PC this is only 45 euro's, the mac's upgrade is almost double that). So I'm up to aprox. 700 euro for a system with a G4. I can buy a kick-ass AMD64 system for that money, and I'll have a 64-bit machine.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So I start looking at the alternatives, and the only choice is a 1.8 Ghz G5 Powermac (iMac/eMac is not an option, I have a great monitor which I want to keep using). The G5 is aprox. 1400 euro's, we just went from a 499 euro base sytem to 1400, WTF!? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There's a 900 euro gap there with nothing to fill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While I like mac&#8217;s, and they are good value for money. I do not agree they are comparable in price to a PC.<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons for this is lack of choice. <BR/>I&#8217;m in the market for a new desktop which I plan to buy somewhere in the next month, and I&#8217;ve been checking out apple&#8217;s systems. Looking at a Mac mini, at 499 euro&#8217;s, I can get a comparable PC (Ok, not as small, but I don&#8217;t care about that) for 199 euro&#8217;s (AMD Sempron 2300+, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD, DVD-ROM) and it&#8217;s more upgradeable than the mini. <BR/><BR/>After checking out the mini I came to the conclusion that the basic system (cpu, hard disk, video card) is well suited for my needs, however there are some crucial parts missing, for example SP/DIF output. There is no room for a PCI card, so I need an expensive USB dongle. The ram needs an upgrade to 512 MB too (for the PC this is only 45 euro&#8217;s, the mac&#8217;s upgrade is almost double that). So I&#8217;m up to aprox. 700 euro for a system with a G4. I can buy a kick-ass AMD64 system for that money, and I&#8217;ll have a 64-bit machine.<BR/><BR/>So I start looking at the alternatives, and the only choice is a 1.8 Ghz G5 Powermac (iMac/eMac is not an option, I have a great monitor which I want to keep using). The G5 is aprox. 1400 euro&#8217;s, we just went from a 499 euro base sytem to 1400, WTF!? <BR/><BR/>There&#8217;s a 900 euro gap there with nothing to fill it.
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