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	<title>Comments on: Of Course Macs Are More Expensive&#8230; Aren&#8217;t They?</title>
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	<description>I've been observing personal computing behavior for a long time, and now I have some things to say. Here are my two cents about computing, music, software, and related topics.</description>
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		<title>By: ReelSmart.com &#187; Macs Cost More, Right? Well No Actually!</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>ReelSmart.com &#187; Macs Cost More, Right? Well No Actually!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well let them read these stories from “Musings From Mars” blog where he compares Apple to Dell and IBM: of-course-macs-are-more-expensive quick-pricing-update-time-to-pick-on apple-beefs-up-imac-line-widens-price dont-all-computers-need-help-desk-guy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well let them read these stories from “Musings From Mars” blog where he compares Apple to Dell and IBM: of-course-macs-are-more-expensive quick-pricing-update-time-to-pick-on apple-beefs-up-imac-line-widens-price dont-all-computers-need-help-desk-guy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: electrical engineering jobs</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>electrical engineering jobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog. Found your blog while searching for more information at yahoo . Your blog has quite a lot of interesting thoughts. Keep up the good work, thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog. Found your blog while searching for more information at yahoo . Your blog has quite a lot of interesting thoughts. Keep up the good work, thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dontcha just love Windows users who don't know how to read?  It's not surprising that they end up with Dell's when they're satisfied to just gloss over details like how many processors a system has.  Of course, Dell's website is perfect for people like that... too many details for anyone to absorb in one sitting.

Torsten, go leave your Windows droppings elsewhere.  My article clearly compares a dual G5 to a dual-processor Dell Xeon (not a P4, not a single processor system).  The Dell has an option for a second processor, so, to make the comparison as equal as possible, I added that to the Dell configuration.  Here's what my &lt;a href="http://www.musingsfrommars.org/dellvsapple/prodesktop/"&gt;detailed accounting&lt;/a&gt; of the two pro-class desktops says about the Dell processor:&lt;blockquote&gt;Dual Xeon 3.2GHz*
* Corrected for equivalency as calculated at SystemShootouts.org . The dual 3.4 GHz Xeon selected originally was a $600 upgrade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Seriously, though, this is exactly how Microsoft and the PC ecosystem stays in business:  They count on ignorant consumers not being able to compare Apples with whatever it is they're offering.  Like our friend Torsten here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dontcha just love Windows users who don&#8217;t know how to read?  It&#8217;s not surprising that they end up with Dell&#8217;s when they&#8217;re satisfied to just gloss over details like how many processors a system has.  Of course, Dell&#8217;s website is perfect for people like that&#8230; too many details for anyone to absorb in one sitting.</p>
<p>Torsten, go leave your Windows droppings elsewhere.  My article clearly compares a dual G5 to a dual-processor Dell Xeon (not a P4, not a single processor system).  The Dell has an option for a second processor, so, to make the comparison as equal as possible, I added that to the Dell configuration.  Here&#8217;s what my <a href="http://www.musingsfrommars.org/dellvsapple/prodesktop/">detailed accounting</a> of the two pro-class desktops says about the Dell processor:<br />
<blockquote>Dual Xeon 3.2GHz*<br />
* Corrected for equivalency as calculated at SystemShootouts.org . The dual 3.4 GHz Xeon selected originally was a $600 upgrade.</blockquote></p>
<p>Seriously, though, this is exactly how Microsoft and the PC ecosystem stays in business:  They count on ignorant consumers not being able to compare Apples with whatever it is they&#8217;re offering.  Like our friend Torsten here.</p>
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		<title>By: Torsten Rosendal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torsten Rosendal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have to hand it to you: That "comparison" between - not PC and MAC - but DELL vs MAC, is just about the worst cutÂ´n paste job from all the no-brainer posts on div. apple-geek-forums around the globe.

Why do you think MAC finally gives up on IBM and moves to Intel instead?

The best/worst example, is when you compare a DUAL G5 to a single core, sinlge chip P4. That shows you dunno WTF your rambling about my friend.

So please, do us all a favour and shut up when you know zip.

Thanks (this is not personal)

Helmuth Kool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to hand it to you: That &#8220;comparison&#8221; between - not PC and MAC - but DELL vs MAC, is just about the worst cutÂ´n paste job from all the no-brainer posts on div. apple-geek-forums around the globe.</p>
<p>Why do you think MAC finally gives up on IBM and moves to Intel instead?</p>
<p>The best/worst example, is when you compare a DUAL G5 to a single core, sinlge chip P4. That shows you dunno WTF your rambling about my friend.</p>
<p>So please, do us all a favour and shut up when you know zip.</p>
<p>Thanks (this is not personal)</p>
<p>Helmuth Kool</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gaba</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Gaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there...I'm the webmaster of the System Shootouts website which has been referenced throughout these comments several times.

First, I want to thank everyone for the kind words about my site; I put a lot of work into it, so it's nice to hear some words of encouragement from time to time (yes, I have some Google ads on the site, but they pretty much just cover the hosting costs).

Second, I wanted to clarify a couple of points, just for the record:

1. Many of the references to my site treat the Processor Comparison chart as if it's the end-all/be-all of benchmark measurement. If you read through the background below it, you'll quickly see that the "performance equivalences" I list are, ironically, the LEAST accurate and MOST biased part of the site, simply because there are so many variables involved.

Hopefully, most of this will become a moot point once Apple switches to the Intel processors, though of course there will still be the AMD factor, etc...

Aside from the processor comparisons--and to a lesser extent, the video cards--every other feature compared between the various systems should be pretty objective. The *data* listed is 100% accurate; the "winner" listed (bold-faced yellow) in each catagory may or may not be objective or subjective depending on the situation (ie, an 80 GB 7200 RPM hard drive is pretty obviously better than a 40 GB 5400 RPM drive; for software, it's a bit fuzzier, since opinions can vary widely about which particular piece of software is "better" overall).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there&#8230;I&#8217;m the webmaster of the System Shootouts website which has been referenced throughout these comments several times.</p>
<p>First, I want to thank everyone for the kind words about my site; I put a lot of work into it, so it&#8217;s nice to hear some words of encouragement from time to time (yes, I have some Google ads on the site, but they pretty much just cover the hosting costs).</p>
<p>Second, I wanted to clarify a couple of points, just for the record:</p>
<p>1. Many of the references to my site treat the Processor Comparison chart as if it&#8217;s the end-all/be-all of benchmark measurement. If you read through the background below it, you&#8217;ll quickly see that the &#8220;performance equivalences&#8221; I list are, ironically, the LEAST accurate and MOST biased part of the site, simply because there are so many variables involved.</p>
<p>Hopefully, most of this will become a moot point once Apple switches to the Intel processors, though of course there will still be the AMD factor, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Aside from the processor comparisons&#8211;and to a lesser extent, the video cards&#8211;every other feature compared between the various systems should be pretty objective. The *data* listed is 100% accurate; the &#8220;winner&#8221; listed (bold-faced yellow) in each catagory may or may not be objective or subjective depending on the situation (ie, an 80 GB 7200 RPM hard drive is pretty obviously better than a 40 GB 5400 RPM drive; for software, it&#8217;s a bit fuzzier, since opinions can vary widely about which particular piece of software is &#8220;better&#8221; overall).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hedges</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hedges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just ran a couple of comparisons on Dell.com and Apple.com. This is timely because my parents' wretched Win98 white box just died and I'm trying to convince them to get a Mac.

In my comparisons using the specs I would personally find acceptable, I found a Mac mini cheaper than an equivalent Dell Dimension B110, but I found the 14" iBook to be a couple hundred dollars more than the equivalent Dell laptop (I forget which model).

The most striking comparison I made was between the 17" iMac G5 and a Dell Precision 380 w/a digital 17" LCD.  You mention above that you would probably buy a Windows machine if you were a hard-core gamer.  For the price of the Precision, you could get an iMac AND an Xbox 360!

How 'bout them Apples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just ran a couple of comparisons on Dell.com and Apple.com. This is timely because my parents&#8217; wretched Win98 white box just died and I&#8217;m trying to convince them to get a Mac.</p>
<p>In my comparisons using the specs I would personally find acceptable, I found a Mac mini cheaper than an equivalent Dell Dimension B110, but I found the 14&#8243; iBook to be a couple hundred dollars more than the equivalent Dell laptop (I forget which model).</p>
<p>The most striking comparison I made was between the 17&#8243; iMac G5 and a Dell Precision 380 w/a digital 17&#8243; LCD.  You mention above that you would probably buy a Windows machine if you were a hard-core gamer.  For the price of the Precision, you could get an iMac AND an Xbox 360!</p>
<p>How &#8217;bout them Apples?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeroen</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeroen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, good information. I've been a Mac user since mid-2004 and am obviously not going back.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Pretty much how I approached my purchases last year!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One correction: I belive Windows XP comes with an included application called "Windows Movie Maker", an inferior competitor to iMovie, "Digital video creation and management" is therefore included with the Dells also.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Cheers!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Jeroen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, good information. I&#8217;ve been a Mac user since mid-2004 and am obviously not going back.<br /><br />Pretty much how I approached my purchases last year!<br /><br />One correction: I belive Windows XP comes with an included application called &#8220;Windows Movie Maker&#8221;, an inferior competitor to iMovie, &#8220;Digital video creation and management&#8221; is therefore included with the Dells also.<br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />Jeroen</p>
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		<title>By: GM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sale page at Apple.com... specifically the certified&lt;BR/&gt;products are absolute bargains after reading this article!&lt;BR/&gt;In fact I'm using my refirb PB and am enjoying the fact that i saved more the $350 from the listed price....&lt;BR/&gt;perhaps i actually saved more vs. a WinTel book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sale page at Apple.com&#8230; specifically the certified<br />products are absolute bargains after reading this article!<br />In fact I&#8217;m using my refirb PB and am enjoying the fact that i saved more the $350 from the listed price&#8230;.<br />perhaps i actually saved more vs. a WinTel book.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an Mac user, but I need to comment on the section about different processors above.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The distinction between RISC and CISC architectures is not large any more. Under the hood a modern Intel processor is as effective as any one from Motorola/IBM. That doesn't mean "MHz is the only thing to bother about" but:&lt;BR/&gt;Apple does _not_ have anything that compares with the speed of a Pentium  M-Processor 760 (2,0 GHz, 2 MB L2-cache, 533 MHz FSB. Point.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The G4 processors have too slow FSB and too little cache to play in the leage.&lt;BR/&gt;The G4 does not need much electrical power, though, that is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Mac user, but I need to comment on the section about different processors above.<br /><br />The distinction between RISC and CISC architectures is not large any more. Under the hood a modern Intel processor is as effective as any one from Motorola/IBM. That doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;MHz is the only thing to bother about&#8221; but:<br />Apple does _not_ have anything that compares with the speed of a Pentium  M-Processor 760 (2,0 GHz, 2 MB L2-cache, 533 MHz FSB. Point.<br /><br />The G4 processors have too slow FSB and too little cache to play in the leage.<br />The G4 does not need much electrical power, though, that is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh... Apple has had the G5 out for, oh, over 1 year. Anonymous needs to revisit that comment about the Pentium M-Processor in comparison to the G5. He is right though, there is NO comparison (however it is in favor of the G5).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230; Apple has had the G5 out for, oh, over 1 year. Anonymous needs to revisit that comment about the Pentium M-Processor in comparison to the G5. He is right though, there is NO comparison (however it is in favor of the G5).</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the comment from Anonymous, I've added a reference to the Barefeats website, which has some excellent benchmarks on the various types of chips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the comment from Anonymous, I&#8217;ve added a reference to the Barefeats website, which has some excellent benchmarks on the various types of chips.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an interesting article though i notised somethin in the powermac/precision comparisson. Comparing a geforce to a quadro isn't really fair. a quick comparison shows that there is about 100-150$ price difference for similar spec card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an interesting article though i notised somethin in the powermac/precision comparisson. Comparing a geforce to a quadro isn&#8217;t really fair. a quick comparison shows that there is about 100-150$ price difference for similar spec card.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this article is great, but you don't mention anything about RAM. it's hard to imagine these machines running without any, and since it's such an important part, it's absence is perplexing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this article is great, but you don&#8217;t mention anything about RAM. it&#8217;s hard to imagine these machines running without any, and since it&#8217;s such an important part, it&#8217;s absence is perplexing.</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right! I did leave RAM out of the article... an oversight on my part.  I've added a paragraph about this to the main article and will update the detailed tables later on.  Each system was standardized on 512MB of RAM, same speed of RAM appropriate to each pair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right! I did leave RAM out of the article&#8230; an oversight on my part.  I&#8217;ve added a paragraph about this to the main article and will update the detailed tables later on.  Each system was standardized on 512MB of RAM, same speed of RAM appropriate to each pair.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that people forget is a quality issue.  My 12" powerbook has an aluminum exterior.  In fact, on all the powerbooks, there is a lot more metal than on comparable PC laptops.  My Blue and White G3 is still going strong after 6 years.  It still has one of the best case designs (the actual layout of the case - not the exterior plastic) I've seen in long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that people forget is a quality issue.  My 12&#8243; powerbook has an aluminum exterior.  In fact, on all the powerbooks, there is a lot more metal than on comparable PC laptops.  My Blue and White G3 is still going strong after 6 years.  It still has one of the best case designs (the actual layout of the case - not the exterior plastic) I&#8217;ve seen in long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Asier</title>
		<link>http://www.musingsfrommars.org/2005/04/of-course-macs-are-more-expensive.html#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Asier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've compared just two computer selling sites. On the hardware side, I would have used a Toshiba laptop or a Fujitsu-Siemens, or a Samsung one, with a better quality than Dell's ones. This comparison is totally biased and a dead-end discussion. Buy what you what, but don't blame the rest for choosing different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve compared just two computer selling sites. On the hardware side, I would have used a Toshiba laptop or a Fujitsu-Siemens, or a Samsung one, with a better quality than Dell&#8217;s ones. This comparison is totally biased and a dead-end discussion. Buy what you what, but don&#8217;t blame the rest for choosing different.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not going to say that you wrong but I think that there are few points that were missed when comparing:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1) Why only Dell? I never understand why every comparision picks one vendor. The idea behind the Wintel scheme is that there are so many vendors. Picking one verdor doesnt make a whole lot of sense.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;2) Speed comparision. Both systems have thier pros and cons. Simply saying that one core is better doesnt make any sense. I agree that the POWER core is more effecient then P4 chips, but what about AMD? Or Pentium M. Both of these would compare very closely with the POWER chis in terms of MHz/performance.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;3) Compatibility. I know that Apple has made good progress, that just about every apps has a Mac equal. But in some cases "just about" doesnt cut it.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Im not trying to bash Mac's they have many good points. It interface has no compitition period. Its way more user friendly. I dont own one but I bet that they are more realiable.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In the world of computers you can prove that anything is better then anything else if you try (Im not saying that you did, your article was one of the more balanced). Try to write an article about how BeOS is better then Windows or OSX and I bet you will see what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not going to say that you wrong but I think that there are few points that were missed when comparing:<br /><br />1) Why only Dell? I never understand why every comparision picks one vendor. The idea behind the Wintel scheme is that there are so many vendors. Picking one verdor doesnt make a whole lot of sense.<br /><br />2) Speed comparision. Both systems have thier pros and cons. Simply saying that one core is better doesnt make any sense. I agree that the POWER core is more effecient then P4 chips, but what about AMD? Or Pentium M. Both of these would compare very closely with the POWER chis in terms of MHz/performance.<br /><br />3) Compatibility. I know that Apple has made good progress, that just about every apps has a Mac equal. But in some cases &#8220;just about&#8221; doesnt cut it.<br /><br />Im not trying to bash Mac&#8217;s they have many good points. It interface has no compitition period. Its way more user friendly. I dont own one but I bet that they are more realiable.  <br /><br />In the world of computers you can prove that anything is better then anything else if you try (Im not saying that you did, your article was one of the more balanced). Try to write an article about how BeOS is better then Windows or OSX and I bet you will see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred McCann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred McCann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd go a bit further than just the bare costs of acquisition of the computers. If you dig a little deeper into maintenance costs, the Mac is a better story. Even if you were to concede that you can aquire a PC for less money than a Mac, the mac still wins overall in 2-3 years. The mac doesn't require as much time to maintain as the PC. There are some studies out there that point to this, but you don't have to look much farther than anyone with experience in both PCs and Macs for anecdotal evidence. When I was specing out platforms to standardize on for my small business, the mac was a no brainer. An end user may not have to contend with paying someone for support, but you have to ask yourself if the extra time that goes into the PC is worth the potentially lower price tag. Don't take my word for it. Figure out how many hours you would throw at supporting a mac or wondows pc and multiply that by the hourly $ cost you'd pay for it. Play with the numbers- the mac wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d go a bit further than just the bare costs of acquisition of the computers. If you dig a little deeper into maintenance costs, the Mac is a better story. Even if you were to concede that you can aquire a PC for less money than a Mac, the mac still wins overall in 2-3 years. The mac doesn&#8217;t require as much time to maintain as the PC. There are some studies out there that point to this, but you don&#8217;t have to look much farther than anyone with experience in both PCs and Macs for anecdotal evidence. When I was specing out platforms to standardize on for my small business, the mac was a no brainer. An end user may not have to contend with paying someone for support, but you have to ask yourself if the extra time that goes into the PC is worth the potentially lower price tag. Don&#8217;t take my word for it. Figure out how many hours you would throw at supporting a mac or wondows pc and multiply that by the hourly $ cost you&#8217;d pay for it. Play with the numbers- the mac wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have already mentioned, there are quite some inaccuracies in this article. Statements like "a Dell laptop processor speed of 1.67 is roughly equivalent to an Apple processor speed of 1.0 ghz" are just nonsensical. A Pentium 4 is slower than a G4 per ghz, but a Pentium M or an Athlon are just as fast, if not faster. For a more balanced comparison, consult &lt;BR/&gt;http://www.systemshootouts.org/&lt;BR/&gt;and see &lt;BR/&gt;http://www.systemshootouts.org/processors.html.&lt;BR/&gt;Posting obvious falsehoods just hurts the overall credibility of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have already mentioned, there are quite some inaccuracies in this article. Statements like &#8220;a Dell laptop processor speed of 1.67 is roughly equivalent to an Apple processor speed of 1.0 ghz&#8221; are just nonsensical. A Pentium 4 is slower than a G4 per ghz, but a Pentium M or an Athlon are just as fast, if not faster. For a more balanced comparison, consult <br /><a href="http://www.systemshootouts.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.systemshootouts.org/</a><br />and see <br /><a href="http://www.systemshootouts.org/processors.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.systemshootouts.org/processors.html</a>.<br />Posting obvious falsehoods just hurts the overall credibility of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the most biased and quite simply wrong arcticles I've ever read.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty biased article. You set out to prove Macs are better and cheaper than their PC counterparts. You completely ignored the AMD and AMD-64 x86 archs (which are more powerful than the G5s even though they are x86 archs). You focused on a single PC vendor. And you failed to mention that Linux has been doing 64-bit computing for over a decade now. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Welcome to the 21st Century Apple/Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty biased article. You set out to prove Macs are better and cheaper than their PC counterparts. You completely ignored the AMD and AMD-64 x86 archs (which are more powerful than the G5s even though they are x86 archs). You focused on a single PC vendor. And you failed to mention that Linux has been doing 64-bit computing for over a decade now. <br /><br />Welcome to the 21st Century Apple/Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on that CPU stuff: &lt;BR/&gt;as far as i know, modern x86 cpus have RISC cores, too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on that CPU stuff: <br />as far as i know, modern x86 cpus have RISC cores, too</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell doesn't offer AMD based machines, so it's tough to include them in a Dell versus Apple comparison.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Plus, AMD chips aren't really much if any cheaper than the Intel chips, though if I were building my own machine I'd undoubtedly go with a FX-55 with an nforce4 based board, but this is not a BYO comparison.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As for the statement that Linux has been doing 64 bit computing for "over a decade now," WTH are you smoking?  I'd give you 2 years, but a decade?  No.  Give me a specific example of a Linux 1.x kernel that's 64 bit, and running today, in 64 bit mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell doesn&#8217;t offer AMD based machines, so it&#8217;s tough to include them in a Dell versus Apple comparison.<br /><br />Plus, AMD chips aren&#8217;t really much if any cheaper than the Intel chips, though if I were building my own machine I&#8217;d undoubtedly go with a FX-55 with an nforce4 based board, but this is not a BYO comparison.<br /><br />As for the statement that Linux has been doing 64 bit computing for &#8220;over a decade now,&#8221; WTH are you smoking?  I&#8217;d give you 2 years, but a decade?  No.  Give me a specific example of a Linux 1.x kernel that&#8217;s 64 bit, and running today, in 64 bit mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the way you used Dell.They are a great example of a bait and switch marketer.This review seemed fair overall.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'd like to state that Linux always gets left out of the computer OS review.Maybe because there are so many variations.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Now I'm looking forward to some good 64bit dual core reviews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the way you used Dell.They are a great example of a bait and switch marketer.This review seemed fair overall.<br /><br />I&#8217;d like to state that Linux always gets left out of the computer OS review.Maybe because there are so many variations.<br /><br />Now I&#8217;m looking forward to some good 64bit dual core reviews!</p>
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		<title>By: Leland Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to those of you who have contributed factual information with your comments.  I wanted to respond to a couple of the general themes:&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;1. The reason I chose Dell is that Dell is the #1 PC maker by far, and I believe consumers have the general impression (whether it's true or not) that Dell has the best and most reasonably priced computers.  (Also, I'm doing this in my spare time, which is very limited!)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;2. The purpose of all of the articles on this website is to dispel misinformation that's been spread about the Mac.  This one's tackling the widespread belief that Macs are more expensive than PC's.  It doesn't attempt to address any other quality issues with respect to Windows and Mac OS X.  I'll be tackling those later.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;3. I used choices that were offered at the Dell website, and focused on Windows systems because that's what most people buy.  Also, you've misread me if you think I'm drawing judgments about the quality of different processor chips.  I'm not... I'm just pointing out that they are not easy to compare, and you can't just look at the clock speed of one and assume it's the same as another chip with the same clock speed.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;4. Although they could work on a more constructive tone, I wanted to thank the anonymous reader who pointed to the systemshootout.org website.  That looks like a great resource, and I'll be revising the comparisons to incorporate the information there this evening.  I do admit to being far more conversant in the ins and outs of Mac systems than of Windows systems.  I've already corrected the graphics card error I'd made and will be happy to do the same for any other inaccuracies that may have creeped in.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;5. As far as being biased, I'm guilty as charged.  I think there's good reason for viewing Mac systems as superior in a number of areas of computing.  If I were a hard-core computer gamer, I'm sure I'd keep a high-end gaming PC around for that, since that's clearly one area in which PC's are superior (at the moment).  I might also keep a low-end PC around for those few software packages that I absolutely must have but that only run on Windows.  But in this article I'm attempting to dispel one of the MAJOR anti-Mac biases and to be as unbiased as possible while doing so. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to those of you who have contributed factual information with your comments.  I wanted to respond to a couple of the general themes:<br /><br />1. The reason I chose Dell is that Dell is the #1 PC maker by far, and I believe consumers have the general impression (whether it&#8217;s true or not) that Dell has the best and most reasonably priced computers.  (Also, I&#8217;m doing this in my spare time, which is very limited!)<br /><br />2. The purpose of all of the articles on this website is to dispel misinformation that&#8217;s been spread about the Mac.  This one&#8217;s tackling the widespread belief that Macs are more expensive than PC&#8217;s.  It doesn&#8217;t attempt to address any other quality issues with respect to Windows and Mac OS X.  I&#8217;ll be tackling those later.<br /><br />3. I used choices that were offered at the Dell website, and focused on Windows systems because that&#8217;s what most people buy.  Also, you&#8217;ve misread me if you think I&#8217;m drawing judgments about the quality of different processor chips.  I&#8217;m not&#8230; I&#8217;m just pointing out that they are not easy to compare, and you can&#8217;t just look at the clock speed of one and assume it&#8217;s the same as another chip with the same clock speed.<br /><br />4. Although they could work on a more constructive tone, I wanted to thank the anonymous reader who pointed to the systemshootout.org website.  That looks like a great resource, and I&#8217;ll be revising the comparisons to incorporate the information there this evening.  I do admit to being far more conversant in the ins and outs of Mac systems than of Windows systems.  I&#8217;ve already corrected the graphics card error I&#8217;d made and will be happy to do the same for any other inaccuracies that may have creeped in.<br /><br />5. As far as being biased, I&#8217;m guilty as charged.  I think there&#8217;s good reason for viewing Mac systems as superior in a number of areas of computing.  If I were a hard-core computer gamer, I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d keep a high-end gaming PC around for that, since that&#8217;s clearly one area in which PC&#8217;s are superior (at the moment).  I might also keep a low-end PC around for those few software packages that I absolutely must have but that only run on Windows.  But in this article I&#8217;m attempting to dispel one of the MAJOR anti-Mac biases and to be as unbiased as possible while doing so. <img src='http://www.musingsfrommars.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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